From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Jun 15 06:26:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 13:26:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 28840 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 13:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 13:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.28) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 13:26:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:26:46 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:26:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Are attitudinals assertions? (was: Attitudinals again (was: Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:26:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 13:26:46.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[D320BD70:01C0F59E] From: "Jorge Llambias" i la lojbab cusku di'e >Lojban design does not recognize the possibility of false >attitudinals. Hopefully it will never need to. I have no idea what that means. People of course can use, will use and have used attitudinals to show an attitude they may not hold. I don't see what it could mean that Lojban design recognize this or not. i la xod cusku di'e >If .ui means "I am happy...", Only in the sense that {xu} means "I am asking a question", or {pe'i} means "I am giving an opinion". >that is a provable logical assertion about >the reality of my emotions. They are not assertions. If you say {ui ko'a klama}, and I say {na go'i}, I am not saying "No, you're not happy", I'm saying "No, ko'a is not coming". If you say {mi gleki le nu ko'a klama}, then my {na go'i} does mean "No, you're not happy". >There are situations where you will call me a >liar if I say .ui. Sales one, blatant denial another, politics a third. Yes, it is possible to lie in many different ways, many of which involve making no assertions, or even asserting truths. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.