From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 15 13:19:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 20:19:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 62335 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 20:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 20:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 20:19:32 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15B044-0003BK-00 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:19:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:19:32 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] If it ain't broke, don't fix it (was an approach to attitudinals) Message-ID: <20010615131932.H14438@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i From: Robin Lee Powell On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:29:16PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:11:54PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 pycyn@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/14/2001 6:30:41 PM Central Daylight Time, > > > > lojbab@lojban.org writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >.a'unaicai pe'idai le nu fanva la .alis. cu palci .ianai .u'e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to the beginning then. I would like to point out that I understood from > > > > the beginning what xod meant to say and my point was -- and still is -- that > > > > he failed to say it. None of the attitudinals involved are problematic in > > > > the sense of changing the truth value of the claim, which remains that > > > > translating Alice is evil. xod expresses strong repulsion for this > > > > situation, disbelief in it and wonder at it. He also gives as his support > > > > for the claim that I (or someone unspecified) think it. But he still asserts > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Give it up. You are wrong. The Book clearly shows that a'u is a > > > propositional attitude indicator. Page 302. > > > > You weren't using .a'u. You were using pe'idai. Much less obvious. > > > > Do you see "a'u" in the sentence above? I see .a'unaicai, which is glossed as 'extreme repulsion'. Repulsion as to an idea does not, as far as I am aware, imply that the idea is wrong. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/