From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Jun 16 05:20:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 Jun 2001 12:20:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 50606 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2001 12:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2001 12:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2001 12:20:51 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (5.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.5]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5GCKoP11241 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010616082057.00dd0a50@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:26:23 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The "system" of attitudinals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 03:04 PM 06/15/2001 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: >We have two and a half choices so far, neither of which involves any change >of grammar or vocabulary -- yet. >1) Keep the present system but clean up the presentation and make maybe a few >additions or modifications if clearly needed. > Advantages: no change is almost always an advantage. a lot of >documentation and accepted usage. easy rhetorical devices with position of >UI. > Disadvantages: It is going to take a lot of rewriting, as the >presentation so far has not dealt consistently or clearly with what have >become the major issues. the features of major interest are currently only >loosely connected with form, so each word has to be learned separately >(claimed). known cases of inadequacy (a'o) not dealt with and no program for >dealing with other cases that may be discovered. present cases limited to >parallels with English, no allowance for new, Lojbanic, discoveries. Option 1a) Keep the present system with no changes. Use the language. When misunderstandings occur, clarify them (hopefully without rancor, and preferably in Lojban). Adjust usage so that it "works". 5 years from whenever, describe what the language has become. Advantages: as per 1) Disadvantages: possibilities of misunderstandings. Repeated raising of issues that have not been fully resolved. Possible difficulties in teaching, though most of the issues that come up are transparent to anyone with less than a year of Lojban experience (Newcomers may understand the arguments, but usually not the full range of tradeoffs.) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org