From xod@sixgirls.org Sat Jun 16 15:30:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 Jun 2001 22:30:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 5983 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2001 22:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2001 22:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO thefly.sixgirls.org) (24.29.118.25) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2001 22:30:45 -0000 Received: from thefly.sixgirls.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thefly.sixgirls.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD19C5AE6D for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Sixgirls Industries To: Subject: dai harder (was: If it ain't broke, don't fix it (was: an approach to attitudinals) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:06:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010615131932.H14438@digitalkingdom.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010616083213.00dd1ed0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010616083213.00dd1ed0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061617320101.08425@thefly.sixgirls.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-From: Value Yourself From: Value Yourself -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 16 June 2001 09:12, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > One problem is that the pe'i(dai) DOES make the bridi quite clearly > assertive about the real world and not a hypothetical one. The only > evidential that seems like it might not be assertive is the one of > postulation, since one can postulate an imaginary world or some fact abou= t > the real world. If the sentence is an assertation by the use of pe'i the= n > it cannot be merely propositional.=20=20 I may be getting trapped in the same Englishistic artifact that provided=20 us weeks of fun with djuno and its fourth place. Watch this: "In my opinion, black is white" (I am stating black is white; I believe & assert it.) "In your opinion, black is white" (I am observing your opinion; I don't necessarily agree with it, and I am n= ot=20 asserting it) Thus, I malglicoly felt that pe'idai was less assertive than pe'i. Who want= s=20 to stick their foot in this? (Whether pe'idai really means "your opinion" is the topic of a *different*= =20 debate.) Thus starts a discussion over dai! I agree with your opinion that such=20 discussions really should be held in Lojban, but I've been hesitant for fea= r=20 that it will grind to a halt within days. Nevertheless: .i fu'icu'i mi ze'epunai zgana le mu'e pilno piso'i cmavo poi selpilno mi=20 .iseni'ibo le zu'o mi pilno kei ckaji le ka cipra .i .eisai zo dai mapti ko'a goi le cinmo be fa le seltavla .i .aunairu'e zo= =20 dai cmavo fi le si'o cecmu cinmo kei .a le si'o le tavla cu cinmo da ki'u l= e=20 du'u le seltavla cu cinmo da .i tu'a ko'a ku mutce le ka pilno .i ru'a le mu'e la lojbab. tugni ru'e lu pe'idai li'u kei zo'u zo dai=20 nolsatci mapti le si'o cecmu cinmo kei .i ganai snada jarco le du'u zo dai na mapti ko'a gi ju'oru'e nitcu le cnin= o=20 cipra cmavo poi mapti ko'a =20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsr2G0ACgkQBeKfilUsqxkFvACdH0AsBjgse78fItVh11RQpMbU G4kAniurdzcAUf5bJy8XOVoB67FtCq5T =3DakFV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----