From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Jun 19 22:33:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 05:33:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 46774 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 05:33:20 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (209-8-89-166.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.166]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5K5XJD26381 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010620013434.00dfcaf0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:38:12 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] dai harder (was: If it ain't broke, don't fix it (was: an approa... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 11:38 PM 06/19/2001 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la lojbab cusku di'e >I don't think I anywhere said he did. How do you say >"Frank thinks that Mary should come"? > Or "Frank thinks that >all flowers should be white"? If you don't like my way of >saying it, you should provide a better one. bilga or sarcu > >I can't come up with an alternative to the ku'i example because I don't > >understand it even in English. > >Forget about the English, let's concentrate on the Lojban. I don't understand the Lojban, and the English does not enlighten me. > >By the pattern of the Lojban sentences, the > >ku'ikau would require that the contrast be something that Frank was > >opining, and we don't have any clue as to the contrast. > >Yes, that is precisely what I meant. Context will give you the >clue as to what is contrasted, as with any other use of {ku'i}. probably something using frica/nalsimsa then > > >oidai le cukta na ciksi fo la'e di'u > > >"The book does not explain it like that, you complain." > > > >Philosophically, this doesn't match the rest of the attitudinal system. > >i do la'e di'u xusra i mi do na tugni i no da zunti le nu do pilno >zo dai le nu sinxa le do se zmanei i je'u a'o do ca'a pilno fi ba'e >su'o da i mi'a pilno ji'o le nu nitcu .uu mi claxu loi temci lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org