From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 20 10:21:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 17:21:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 34337 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 17:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 17:21:47 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15Clfm-0001vs-00 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:21:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:21:46 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: possible worlds Message-ID: <20010620102146.H16921@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <8e.17392b9c.28616ace@aol.com> <20010619233732.A4343@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010619233732.A4343@twcny.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i From: Robin Lee Powell On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:37:32PM -0400, Rob Speer wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:56:14PM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/19/2001 8:10:08 PM Central Daylight Time, > > thinkit8@lycos.com writes: > > > > > > > how about this? "if i were rich i'd have a house" goes to > > > "fau le nu mi ricfu kei mi ponse lo zdani". i don't like using the > > > UI cmavo to do this either, but i think there are substitutes. > > > > > > > Nice, but what does it have to do with possible worlds? (the answer "nothing" > > is to its advantage) Is it clearly superior to {ganai mi ricfu gi mi ponse > > lo zdani}. The latter is, I suppose uninterestingly true, the former appears > > to be false or of uncertain -- and uncertainly obtainable -- truth value. > > So, as assertions, the advantage seems to lie with {ganai} form. But if this > > is something else than an assertion, it does seem to move over into the area > > of UI: intentions, hopes, and the like. [snip] > I still don't find this as elegant as Loglan's {foi} and {fio}; those would be > similar to Lojban modals or tenses, which would have a more useful role in the > grammar of the sentence than a UI cmavo. However, at least this doesn't seem to > leave a gaping conceptual hole in the language, and I suppose it's the best we > can realistically achieve within the baseline. What's wrong with va'o? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/