From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 16:42:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 21 Jun 2001 23:42:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10818 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2001 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.189) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:42:52 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.37 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:42:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.37] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] da'i (for a change) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:42:52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2001 23:42:52.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3696260:01C0FAAB] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >Can one forethought a bridi-tail (? or whatever this is)? Yes: noda zo'u ge da namcu gi node ge namcu gi balzma da > > (Every {iseni'i} should be {iseni'ibo}.)> > >Semantic dissonance. I thought about that and looked it up. It said {bo} >is >short scope and, since I wanted the whole sentence in, not just the >following >sumti, I figured that must be what I want. Amoment's thought would have >told >me that, despite what it says, it means something quite different (the >characteristic of Lojban?). Well... it is a sentence short scope: {iseni'ibo} is just an enriched version of {ibo}. {seni'i} by itself adds a place to the selbri relationship, something quite different. In general, {bo} joins with short scope two things of the same type, so it would not join a tag to its tagged sumti. >{di}, being KOhA is assignable Grammatically, yes. Semantically, I can make no sense of assigning an indefinite. di is indefinite on first use, and then it is already assigned on subsequent uses, so it could never get assigned by goi, as far as I can tell. >(see {da} in the first step) But in {da goi xy} it is xy that gets assigned, not da! mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.