From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 19:01:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 02:01:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 47622 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 02:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 02:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.65) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 02:01:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:01:39 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.229 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:01:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.229] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: zi'o and modals Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:01:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2001 02:01:39.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[466007D0:01C0FABF] From: "Jorge Llambias" la adam cusku di'e >So does Hebrew ("lalekhet" vs. "linsoa"), and many other languages. >Maybe we should really be using "muvdu" when there's no vehicle >involved; I'm not sure what the distinction between "klama" and >"muvdu" is otherwise. If we go by the keywords, klama is volitional and muvdu non-volitional. But both are much more restrictive than their natlang cognates. Especially muvdu, which only works for displacements and not for motion in general. And we can't even get the general notion from its opposite, "still", because we don't have a clear word for that one either... >i ta'o mi so'iroi kucli le du'u makau valsi la'o zoi bring zoi la >lojban i le ka bevri cu la'a nibli le ka jgari i xu zo muvgau e zo >klagau cu dukse le ka malxebro srana i ka'e mapti i ku'i pe'i zo muvgau cu simsa zo benji i na sarcu fa le nu le muvgau cu muvdu i ju'ocu'i zo klakansa a zo klakangau so'iroi mapti i mu'a lu ko klakangau le cukta do ti li'u ka'e se smuni zoi zoi bring the book with you zoi mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.