From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Sun Jun 24 15:22:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 24 Jun 2001 22:22:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 23014 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2001 22:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2001 22:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jun 2001 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from m105-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com ([62.253.88.105] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15EI1l-0004yg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:06:45 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] RE: zi'o and modals Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:21:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" Jorge: > Or (my favourite) forget that botpi has a fourth place and > assume it only has three places like normal Lojbanic containers. Your reasoning is that given enough desuetude, perennially unused places will through force of usage be excised from the gismu place structures. But how is that going to happen? -- For someone can always come along, find the official place structure and use it, and are they then going to be told "Yes, that's the place structure the dictionary gives, but in fact it's ungrammatical Lojban"? No. What you should do if you don't like the place structure of a gismu is create a lujvo or fuhivla that does have the place structure you want. Then let the gismu die from desuetude. This is the best solution given that place structures are base lined (in a criminally stupid way, one might add). --And.