From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 16:30:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 24 Jun 2001 23:30:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 66043 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2001 23:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Jun 2001 23:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.124) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jun 2001 23:30:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:30:51 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.77 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:30:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.77] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] RE: zi'o and modals Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:30:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2001 23:30:51.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4D2C6B0:01C0FD05] From: "Jorge Llambias" la and cusku di'e >Your reasoning is that given enough desuetude, perennially >unused places will through force of usage be excised from >the gismu place structures. But how is that going to happen? >-- For someone can always come along, find the official place >structure and use it, and are they then going to be told >"Yes, that's the place structure the dictionary gives, but >in fact it's ungrammatical Lojban"? It is never ungrammatical to use nonexistent places. They will just receive a confused stare and then the realization that "oh right, you must be using the word in its obsolete sense". >No. What you should do if you don't like the place structure of >a gismu is create a lujvo or fuhivla that does have the place >structure you want. Then let the gismu die from desuetude. If lujvo or fuhivla were as convenient to use as gismu that would be a good solution, but they're usually several orders of magnitude more cumbersome, so I think the ignore weird places strategy has a better payoff. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.