From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Jun 27 13:06:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 27 Jun 2001 20:06:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 60314 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2001 20:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2001 20:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-5.cais.net) (205.252.14.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Jun 2001 20:03:33 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (209-8-89-170.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.170]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5RK3V652424 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010627155610.00d39400@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:08:21 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] free copies of "was-ist-lojban" In-Reply-To: <01062721014601.00850@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 09:01 PM 06/27/2001 +0200, =?utf-8?q?Bj=C3=B6rn=20Gohla?= wrote: >working on my translation i found this: > Helping to publicize the language, of course, does not > take a lot of time, or necessarily even knowing the > language. Talk to friends, relatives and colleagues. We > will gladly provide copies of this brochure upon your > request. Lojban tends to sell itself; people who become > informed tend to be interested to at least some > degree. > >does that mean brochures are supposed to be given away free, and who is we? You can give away brochures for free. We have a nominal charge for all our printed materials of US$.10 a page, but for level 0 packages in the past (which include the brochure), we have given them out to anyone who asked whether they sent us money or not, then list the value of the brochure as a negative on their balance, one that we did not worry whether it got paid. We will probably continue to give out the brochure alone for free after the Nickbooks are done, but our focus at that point will be on selling or otherwise distributing the books. At some conventions, we have printed up a stack of brochures and put them out on a table, and that is what the above paragraph was referring to. That was in the pre-Internet world, and it was a way to get the word out to as many as possible, but we historically have gotten few actual orders for materials from such distributions - it gives us name recognition and little else. My suggestion therefore would be to rewrite the paragraph to suggest that people point to our web page, note that we encourage people who wish to do so to print materials out from our web page for personal use or promotion of the language. Especially overseas, we gain little from asking people to send us money for paper that we are selling at no profit. Nick should probably make corresponding changes in the official version for the book. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org