From rob@twcny.rr.com Sun Jul 01 14:28:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@telenet.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 1 Jul 2001 21:28:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 13205 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2001 21:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2001 21:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO telenet.net) (204.97.152.225) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Jul 2001 21:28:41 -0000 Received: from riff (ip-209-23-14-13.modem.logical.net [209.23.14.13]) by telenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15485 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:28:39 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15GogS-0000UD-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:23:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:23:12 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Tentative summary on Attitudinals Message-ID: <20010701172312.A1832@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com Sender: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:00:15PM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > 6) Attitude indicators can appear anywhere in a sentence; the different > positions have been used only for (not very clear) rhetorical effects so far. This is about the conclusion that was reached, I agree. And this shows that {da'i} doesn't work. You can hypothesize a "possible world" as the whole sentence, or in a subclause - the {da'i} should be able to apply to {poi} instead of the whole {.i}, changing the meaning of the sentence. However, attitudinals in different locations don't change the meaning of the sentence from what it would be if the attitudinal was at the beginning of the sentence, in the state of attitudinals right now. Result: anything that creates possible worlds, so that counterfactual statements can be discussed logically, cannot be a UI. -- Rob Speer