From b.gohla@gmx.de Mon Jul 02 16:28:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: b.gohla@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 2 Jul 2001 23:28:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 61576 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2001 23:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2001 23:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (194.221.183.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 23:28:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 31419 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2001 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from b7b52.pppool.de (HELO linux) (213.7.123.82) by mail.gmx.net (mail09) with SMTP; 2 Jul 2001 23:28:03 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Reply-To: b.gohla@gmx.de Organization: private site To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Not talking about imaginary worlds Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 01:28:58 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <6c.c79c700.287250d6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6c.c79c700.287250d6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01070301285800.03177@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?utf-8?q?Bj=C3=B6rn=20Gohla?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 03 July 2001 00:33, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > b. gohla's hierarchy is about the way that such ideas get developed. The > only major objection might be that "if p then q" usually means something > like "q is true in all (or most or the uppermost or some such thing) worl= ds > in which p is true" which fits neatly into my proposal, since all those could be considered=20 derived from the one where you first pondered the truth of p. > Again, I think that all of this superstructure is misguided -- at least > until it can be shown that we really need it. I think tha simply > considering what we *do* with language is kore natural and effective than > creating new things for descriptive langauge to be *about*. there really is not much to it, it is how i visualized edward cherlin's=20 "Let us suppose X" says the=20=09 mathematician, physicist, or science fiction writer, "then ignoring the=20 obvious contradictions, what happens?" by saying "suppose X" you walk into a room with the specific property that = X=20 is always true within it, so you can talk treating X as a fact, no matter i= f=20 it it true in the "physical" world. the advantange of my approach is that it is easily applied recursively, and= =20 that from the perspective of any specific universe it is itself "real" and= =20 all derived ones are speculative, when you enter a derived universe it in=20 turn becomes reality.=20 =20 - --=20 - -------------------- /* Nobody will ever see this message :-) */ panic("Cannot initialize video hardware\n"); 2.0.38 /usr/src/linux/arch/m68k/atari/atafb.c pub 1024D/834F4976 2001-01-07 Bj=C3=B6rn Gohla (Wissenschaftler, Weltb=C3= =BCrger)=20 Key fingerprint =3D 9FF4 FEDA CCDF DA0E 14D5 8129 6C14 3C39 834F 4976 sub 1024g/29571FE2 2001-01-07 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7QQPHbBQ8OYNPSXYRAsIeAKC/MngIVaUg110s1NOkf80pxuAzhwCfSSHL lJt09+RETtbsocTjtwN9dTs=3D =3D9Guk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----