From nicholas@uci.edu Fri Jul 06 17:19:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 7 Jul 2001 00:19:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 95601 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2001 00:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2001 00:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Jul 2001 00:19:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19369; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:19:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:19:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Times of Day Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS .i kantu be le se spuda be lenu la lojbab. cu cpedu loi pinka be le velcli cu caca'a barda .i ja'ebo mi carmi se pluka le ka le lojbo cecmu cu simsidju djica Pierre has pointed out to me that, with numerals following te'i by default, there is no real need for cmene for hours of the day. The only compelling reason I can see is to distinguish by a cmene postfix (lir., lec.) between AM and PM. So: (a) Should cmene for hours be mentioned? Or should we just make Lojban 24-hour and be done with it? (b) Are the kinds of cmene currently documented in the lessons acceptable? (I'm already going to have to fix the current suffix -cac, since it is not the rafsi for cacra) I have dim ancestral memories that the currently documented scheme is what was in the lessons of yore, but As an utter aside, btw, "dog-cat" is a venerable name for cheetahs, precisely because of the claws (I think there's something about bone structure in there as well); the genus name in the 19th century was in fact Cynaelurus, which is Greek for "dog-cat". (I've just written a paper on Byzantine notions of cheetahs, so you'll pardon my misspent erudition.) However, the notion has been abandoned (the genus is now Acionyx "pointy-nailed"), and wouldn't be readily available to the casual user; so I don't think it's a good idea to call it that in Lojban. I'd much rather use the fact that cheetahs are tameable and used in hunting --- jersi tirxu (but that doesn't make it clear it hunts for humans, rather than on its own.) Word to whoever mentioned the chaos of feline taxonomy, btw. What a mess! -- /||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\ | "One must first know that traditionally a Japanese bus has carried not || | only a driver but one or more young girls who stand in the aisles and || | sell tickets, announce stops, and in general console the passengers for|| | the inadequacies and discomforts of this transient world." \ | --- Roy Andrew Miller, _The Japanese Language_, p. 251 \ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| \||||nicholas@uci.edu|||||||Transient Passenger||||||Nick Nicholas|||||||||| ==\||||||||||||www.opoudjis.net||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||/ ()() ()() ()()