From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Jul 08 01:35:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 8 Jul 2001 08:35:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 77936 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 08:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2001 08:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Jul 2001 08:35:14 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (65.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.65]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f688ZCT37046 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 04:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010708043339.00d6d970@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 04:39:14 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Rafsi in cmene In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 05:14 PM 07/07/2001 -0700, Nick Nicholas wrote: >Pierre has pointed out to me that cmene like vocac. are misleading for >hours, because cac. is not a rafsi of cacra. To be consistent with the >other time milestones, this would mean vocacr. instead. > >1) Do we want to inflict unpronouncables like vocacr. on our audience? (My >take is, why not --- I'm now saying 12-hour time is dispreferred anyway, >and vocacr. is not that much more unpronouncable than la .r,l) It's an extra syllable, cacr is also not a rafsi for cacra, and I would be more prone to prefer vocacraC for arbitrary C. >2) Is the objection valid? Not necessarily. >Have we ever explicitly claimed that cmene >suffixes of this kind should be rafsi (plus or minus final schwa)? I don't think there are any rules for cmene making, though I havent reviewed what the Book says. >I'm fairly sure these forms originated from Lojban Central... Yes. They were in the original Lesson 1 of the draft textbook, though I don't know where they are in the current draft which broke lessons up and rearranged them. There might be some discussion in the textbook as to why I chose them, but other aspects of my approach to naming times (abandonment of base 12) have already been supplanted anyway. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org