From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Tue Jul 10 07:36:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 10 Jul 2001 14:36:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3130 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 14:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2001 14:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 14:33:57 -0000 Received: from m46-mp1-cvx1b.bir.ntl.com ([62.255.40.46] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15JyLP-0004Op-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:18:32 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] optional punctuation Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:33:09 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B49FC3F.3060407@reutershealth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" John: > And Rosta wrote: > > > What do lone cmevla outside cmene expressions parse as? > > A bare cmevla is grammatical if it's a stand-alone text; > the meaning is not clearly defined. > > Bare cmevla used to be vocatives, but this caused grammatical > problems, so (the Loglan equivalent of) "doi" was introduced. > > > they have no other function, and I can't remember why not, or why > > we are at such pains to make our cmene end in consonants. > > For morphological resolution. You mean to be identified as cmevla? The terminal glottal stop is sufficient to delimit the cmene, and since there is no grammatical distinction between cmevla cmene and noncmevla cmene and cmevla cannot occur outside cmene, it's hard to see why everybody is so insistent on having names end in a consonant. On a related point, was there a clear rationale concerning the prohibition of impermissible 'clusters' in cmene? Given that on a pure phonological level Lojban is underlyingly pure CV with no clusters, and phonetically realizable as such, pronounceability cannot have been the rationale. --And.