From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Jul 14 15:02:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 14 Jul 2001 22:02:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 79880 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 22:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jul 2001 22:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailman2.cais.net) (205.252.14.62) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jul 2001 22:02:00 -0000 Received: from stmpy-4.cais.net (stmpy-4.cais.net [205.252.14.74]) by mailman2.cais.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6ELT1M77540 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bob.lojban.org ([209.8.89.176]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6ELRh234768 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010714171907.0541af00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:31:50 -0400 To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: Re: [lojban] questions about DOI & cmene In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 08:50 PM 07/14/2001 +0100, And Rosta wrote: >1. Why is "doi" in DOI, while "mi'e" is in COI? doi is by itself in its own selma'o because, like "la" we wanted to have some word that could precede a name in a vocative without a pause. All of the COI words can precede a name, but require a pause or doi to avoid being part of the name. On the other hand, a name cannot have a syllable "doi" in it or it becomes ambiguous what the start of the name is. It can have "mi'e" within the name. >2. "la nanmu" means "ko'a poi cmene fa zo nanmu ke'a", while >"coi nanmu" means "coi do [p]oi nanmu fa ke'a". No. coi nanmu means coi do poi du la nanmu just as coi djan means coi do poi du la djan > I cannot work >out from the Woldy Codex whether "doi nanmu" is in this >respect like LA or like COI: does it mean "O man" -- "doi >do [p]oi nanmu fa ke'a" -- or "O Man" -- "doi la nanmu"? It should be like coi. Grammatically COI and DOI are essentially the same thing, with the differences intended for phonological restriction reasons. >3. "do poi nanmu fa ke'a" should mean "those of you that >are men", but does "coi nanmu" mean "Hello, those of you >that are men", > "coi do poi nanmu fa ke'a", or does it >mean "Hello, men", "coi do noi nanmu fa ke'a"? No - those of you that I am calling men. >4. Why are lojbanists encouraged to name themselves and others >with cmevla? Umm, what do you mean by "encouraged"? Most Lojbanists seem to want to have something to put after mi'e at the ends of their postings etc. and it has always been one of the first things a new Lojbanist TRIES to do. No encouragement needed. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org