From sjhsniffen@crosswinds.net Sat Jul 14 17:43:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sjhsniffen@crosswinds.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 15 Jul 2001 00:43:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 50220 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 00:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2001 00:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail9.wlv.netzero.net) (209.247.163.66) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 00:43:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 4675 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 00:43:05 -0000 Received: from pppa50-resalenewjerseynorth9-4r7189.dialinx.net (HELO hppav) (4.54.123.111) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 00:43:05 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [lojban] Imperative Message-ID: <3B50AEDD.17958.841AE7@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3B50A988.4170.6F4312@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) From: sjhsniffen@crosswinds.net On 14 Jul 2001, at 18:27, Jay Kominek wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 sjhsniffen@crosswinds.net wrote: > > > I'm fairly new to lojban and I was wondering if there is a way to use > > the imperative even when the listener (who you want to do the > > action) is not part of the action. I.e. > > > > ko tavla fo la lojban. > > > > means "Speak in lojban!" > > > > but how do you say > > > > "Make the bird speak in lojban!" > > tu'a ko mukti le nu le cipni cu tavla bau la lojban > > Basically you have to command them to cause or be the cause of the event > of whatever you want. I'm not sure if my sentence is perfect, but it seems > pretty right to me. :) rinka wouldn't be appropriate since you'd have to > move the bird's beak and manipulate its vocal cords or whatnot yourself, > while forcing air out its mouth. > > - Jay Kominek Now that I recheck the gismu list...would "bapli" also work? ko bapli le nu le cipni tavla bau la lojban. NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net