From pycyn@aol.com Sat Jul 14 18:51:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 15 Jul 2001 01:51:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 58544 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 01:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2001 01:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 01:51:21 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id r.21.e5e23bb (25717) for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <21.e5e23bb.28825114@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:51:16 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Imperative To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21.e5e23bb.28825114_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_21.e5e23bb.28825114_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/2001 7:27:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sjhsniffen@crosswinds.net writes: > but how do you say > > "Make the bird speak in lojban!" > Well, if you mean what English usually means by "Make the bird speak Lojban.", then the addressee is a part of the action -- he has to do something to get the bird to do something. The usual device here is {gasnu} "X1 is agentive cause of event X2", so {ko gasnu lenu le cipni cu tavla fo la lojban}. However, if what you want is a third person imperative, as it were: "O that the bird talks Lojban" or some such thing, then you have to reassign {ko} from {do} to {le cipni} :{ko goi le cipni cu tavla fo la lojban}. --part1_21.e5e23bb.28825114_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/2001 7:27:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
sjhsniffen@crosswinds.net writes:


but how do you say

"Make the bird speak in lojban!"


Well, if you mean what English usually means by "Make the bird speak
Lojban.", then the addressee is a part of the action -- he has to do
something to get the bird to do something.  The usual device here is {gasnu}
"X1 is agentive cause of event X2", so {ko gasnu lenu le cipni cu tavla fo la
lojban}.  However, if what you want is a third person imperative, as it were:
"O that the bird talks Lojban" or some such thing, then you have to reassign
{ko} from {do} to {le cipni} :{ko goi le cipni cu tavla fo la lojban}. --part1_21.e5e23bb.28825114_boundary--