From ragnarok@pobox.com Sun Jul 15 20:20:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 16 Jul 2001 03:20:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 38687 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 03:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jul 2001 03:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jul 2001 03:20:36 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.34] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD8497420042; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:20:36 -0400 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Zhang Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:20:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Since chinese (pinyin) zh is sometimes pronounced as /dZ/ affricate before a, and lojban n may be pronounced as /N/, although it usually is not, I recommend spelling it either djan. or jan. The ng on the end is one phoneme, a nasal, and since there is no stop jang. and djang. would both be wrong - lojban. ng is pronounced /ng/ and not /N/ like the pinyin ng. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Nicholas [mailto:nicholas@uci.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:35 PM To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lojban] Zhang As you know, Zhang in Robin's lessons was transliterated jang., and I've kept it. I know that final -ng in Lojban is not recommended. Would you go so far as to say it should not appear in the lessons at all, as being misleading, and Zhang should be jan. in all instances? Nick Nicholas, TLG, UCI, USA. nicholas@uci.edu www.opoudjis.net "Most Byzantine historians felt they knew enough to use the optatives correctly; some of them were right." --- Harry Turtledove. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.