From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Tue Jul 17 10:06:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 17 Jul 2001 17:06:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 49796 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 17:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Jul 2001 17:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 17:04:49 -0000 Received: from m98-mp1-cvx1b.bir.ntl.com ([62.255.40.98] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15MY27-0004aG-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:49:16 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Where is Lojbangug? Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:03:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <01071623301807.02684@neofelis> From: "And Rosta" Pierre: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2001, And Rosta wrote: > >I like that fuhivla -- it should go in the dictionary -- but given that > >places are easier to add, by BAIing or lujvoing, rather than to subtract, > >by zihoing, place structures should be as minimal as possible, and an > >abstract chess game -- a licit series of moves from start to finish -- > >would be just "x1 is a chess game". Hence I would urge "caxmati: x1 is > >an abstract chessgame" and, say, "nunycaxmati: x1 is a chess game between > >x2 (white) and x3 (black)". Moreover, I would urge this sort of reasoning > >on all new words. > > But if "caxmati" meant "x1 is an abstract chessgame", then "nunycaxmati" > would mean "x1 is the event that x2 is an abstract chessgame". Where do the > black and white come from? Alright -- if you're a jvajvoist then make it "fasnycaxmati" or "jivnycaxmati" (fasnu/jivna zei caxmati), "abstract chessgame x1 is realized in a game played by x2 (white) and x3 (black)" --And.