From aroach@electriceyeball.com Tue Jul 17 18:02:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: aroach@electriceyeball.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 18 Jul 2001 01:02:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 25099 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2001 01:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.144) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 01:02:13 -0000 Received: from stoic.electriceyeball.com ([24.13.143.137]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010718010211.XOKL23117.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@stoic.electriceyeball.com> for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:02:11 -0700 Received: by stoic.electriceyeball.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C064B8F2A0; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:06:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:06:29 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Looking down: executive summary? Message-ID: <20010717200629.C1062@stoic.electriceyeball.com> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010716225659.00c87b60@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010717141331.00c2fba0@127.0.0.1>; from lojbab@lojban.org on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 02:21:59PM -0400 From: Anthony Roach --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 02:21:59PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > Unfortunately, the only BEGINNER I've heard from (someone who has never=20 > read the refgrammar or tried to speak the language, seems to be finding t= he=20 > lessons too steep. Not nearly enough examples, and exercises that go=20 > beyond what he feels he knows how to do based on the text. The lessons a= s=20 > they are thus challenge a learner, rather than give him confidence that t= he=20 > language is easy in order to move on to seek a tougher challenge. pc has= =20 > made the comment that even he is learning stuff from the lessons, and I=20 > don't think that beginner lessons would teach skilled Lojbanists anything= . Just to reiterate from my other email, I am a beginner and I've never looked at the reference grammar. I am challenged by the lessons, but not so much that it frustrates me or makes me think the language is difficult. In fact, it is quite obvious to me that Lojban is MUCH easier to learn than other languages I've tried (German, Spanish, and Japanese). I must admit that I have had a lot of training in advanced math and logic, so maybe that makes Lojban easier for me to learn than for a the average Joe, since Lojban is a logical language. On the other hand, so far the lessons haven't gone into advanced logic topics (it gives references to the reference grammar where needed), so I don't think I have much of an advantage. Besides, I think a mediocre inexpensive introductory book is better than none at all. Of course Nick's lessons are not mediocre. I quite like them. I can't imagine Nick's lessons turning anyone off of Lojban.=20 --=20 name: Anthony Roach homepage: http://www.electriceyeball.com email: aroach@electriceyeball.com PGP: http://www.electriceyeball.com/aroach.asc --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD0DBQE7VOEV9Gr5tGjesqYRAtWIAJjf1mmw3zyDVanxcGLGP0VqgvHCAJjU4xLC 2tAPMZZqILCnlnpEvQAv =MZuH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/--