From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Jul 17 22:54:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 18 Jul 2001 05:54:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 87770 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 05:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jul 2001 05:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 05:53:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6I5rwG27222 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:53:57 -0400 (EDT) To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: RE: [lojban] registry of experimental cmavo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, And Rosta wrote: > Xod: > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, And Rosta wrote: > [regarding the purported tendency of usage to identify or remedy > 'problems' in the design:] > > > > Anyway, try not to get me started on this "let usage decide", "thousand > > > flowers bloom" baloney. > > > > I think it's not so much "let usage decide" as much as it is "let the > > users decide". One really needs to spend dozens or hundreds of hours > > thinking in Lojban, or trying to, to be able to suggest meaningful > > improvements. How else does one know which is really desirable from the > > Lojban perspective, and which are the attempted importations of English or > > other foreign sources? > > I don't share your apparent mystical sense of the Lojban soul. To me, > Lojban is essentially a system for mapping known logicosemantic forms > to known phonetic forms. So for me, there is no Lojban perspective; > there are simply design issues concerning how to optimize the mapping. > And of course I think spending dozens or hundreds of hours thinking > about logic and semantics is on balance more relevant to design issues > than spending dozens or hundreds of hours 'thinking in Lojban', whatever > that means. You seem to be saying that you can get everything offered by the experience of driving a car by staring at the car's blueprints long enough. Do you suppose a car that feels great to drive could be improved by the ideas of people that never themselves drove it? ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!