From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Jul 18 15:45:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 18 Jul 2001 22:45:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 30618 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 22:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2001 22:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.54) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 22:15:04 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:15:01 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.114 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:15:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.114] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Looking down Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:15:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 22:15:01.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[16B2DAD0:01C10FD7] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pier cusku di'e >I think {le gerku cu bacru fa'a le tricu} means "the dog barks between me >and >the tree", or "the dog barks closer to the tree than I am", So fa'a only makes sense when the speaker is present in the situation? >and {le gerku cu >bacru to'o le tricu} means "the dog barks far from the tree", maybe on a >line >through me. And what about {zo'i le tricu} and {ze'o le tricu}? > >And how do you indicate the orientation of the event? > >How about {le gerku cu bacru ve'ifa'a le tricu}? Hmmm... {ve'afa'a} if the event does not occur in an especially small space interval. But {ve'a} tags the interval: {le gerku cu bacru ve'a le purdi} means that the barking occupies the whole space interval constituted by the garden. So should we say {le gerku cu bacru ve'a le purdi fa'a le tricu} to mean that the barking occurs all over the garden but always towards the tree? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.