From nicholas@uci.edu Fri Jul 20 17:45:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 21 Jul 2001 00:45:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 13962 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2001 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Jul 2001 00:45:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21678; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:45:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:45:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: questions about DOI & cmene Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS Quoth And: >Yes. Note that all I'm saying is that bridi with lots of omitted or >zo'e sumti are hard to gloss. (Tho also, as I've said to Michael, I >think they're overused, making too heavy demands on the interpretive >powers of the hearer.) In addition to which, of course (as And has already pointed out, and as I myself found in authoring the final lesson), we may be assuming that the first sumti of a ka-abstraction is what has the ce'u value, but that has never been stated anywhere even as a guideline, let alone as a rule. (Well, it has been stated in the lessons now, but only tentatively...) -- /||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\ | "One must first know that traditionally a Japanese bus has carried not || | only a driver but one or more young girls who stand in the aisles and || | sell tickets, announce stops, and in general console the passengers for|| | the inadequacies and discomforts of this transient world." \ | --- Roy Andrew Miller, _The Japanese Language_, p. 251 \ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| \||||nicholas@uci.edu|||||||Transient Passenger||||||Nick Nicholas|||||||||| ==\||||||||||||www.opoudjis.net||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||/ ()() ()() ()()