From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Jul 20 18:14:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 21 Jul 2001 01:14:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 43437 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 01:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2001 01:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Jul 2001 01:13:57 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic119.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.119]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6L1DuF76779 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010720210849.00cdc810@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:17:31 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] On a number of parts of threads and single threads disguised as several In-Reply-To: References: <103.6254fd4.28879e8b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 04:58 PM 07/20/2001 +0100, And Rosta wrote: >(It follows, btw, that the 'tinkerers' on whom Lojbab heaps so much odium >are vital to a project whose goal is to engineer something that realizes >ideals of how to 'better' what nature provides.) Of course it is not clear that this was ever a primary goal of the Loglan project. %^) My "odium" so-called exists only because in 2 decades of Loglan work I have noticed that any serious discussion of changes has the twofold effect of a) absorbing the attention of *all* the key people active in the language effort, so that nothing else gets done (and the issues don't necessarily get resolved), the language doesn't get used and book orders don't get filled. Alice in Wonderland, no matter how good or bad the translation, is worth far more than an equivalent amount of time invested in language improvement debates; b) turning off new people who don't generally understand the esoteric nature of the discussion (and sometimes convincing them that the language isn't really "done" and hence ready for someone to learn). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org