From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Jul 20 19:37:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 21 Jul 2001 02:37:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 66005 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 02:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Jul 2001 02:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Jul 2001 02:37:52 -0000 Received: from m8-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com ([62.253.88.8] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15NmPI-0002QW-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:22:17 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] how can i help lojban? what can $ do? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:36:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010720115254.M20749@digitalkingdom.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Robin LP: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 02:38:47PM -0400, Craig wrote: > > >I would like to mention that within the last few days I ran an ad on > > >Google for Lojban. (I spent about $4 total on it, so it was worth it > > >for an experiment.) The ad read something like: > > > > >Lojban > > >The Logical Language > > >For unambiguous communication > > > > I just reread this, and realize that this is an example of the kind of > > claim to total unambiguity I refer to. To quote Lojbab's answer to my > > complaint, "I believe we explicitly say that Lojban is NOT > > semantically unambiguous." Um, how's that again? > > > > Unambiguous communication that's not unambiguous? > > Syntacticially and grammatically unambiguous. _Not_ semantically. Look > at tanru, just for starters. Tanru are vague, not ambiguous in the technical linguistic sense. Ambiguity involves a small number of clear and clearly distinct alternatives. Lojban does in fact strive to avoid semantic ambiguity. (e.g. brivla always have same place structure; logical ambiguities are avoided.) --And.