From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Jul 21 11:27:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 21 Jul 2001 18:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22000 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 18:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Jul 2001 18:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Jul 2001 18:27:01 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (1.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.1]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6LIQwF28479; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010721141942.00c5d100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:30:35 -0400 To: Jay Kominek Subject: Re: [lojban] how can i help lojban? what can $ do? Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010720203736.00c7d150@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 07:48 PM 07/20/2001 -0600, you wrote: >On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > > We did prepare an AI research proposal aimed at bigger bucks to support a > > few technical people full time, and indeed we have ideas on how we would > > spend larger amounts, but no one has even thought about $1 million, much > > less $10 million. > >Where would you submit such a proposal to? NSF? In our case, yes. >(I was wondering, just this morning, if you'd consider doing grant >proposals and such. :) We tried that once. Did not even make the cut to get feedback on why we did not win, unfortunately. Probably because the job was too hurried. But JCB sought 3 different NSF grants in the late 70s and we know what feedback he got, and thus we know a lot of errors to avoid. > > Money to pay people could support AI research, or more cheaply either > > getting someone to handle orders and paperwork so it gets done > > promptly. > >What does handling orders consist of? Mostly it is the bookkeeping that bogs me down, and the fact that I have no dedicated Lojban space in my house (that stays dedicated for more than a few days) so that I am continually packing up the Lojban paperwork into boxes so it doesn't get lost and then having to get it out, sort out where I was and continuing the next time. >I could print out smallish >information packets at no cost to myself, and wouldn't mind absorbing the >cost of mailing them out, assuming they're not too big, and not too often. >(50 pages a week or so would be no problem.) I could even get them mailed >in a timely fashion. Just have to tell me what file to send to who. We were considering something like this last LogFest. But the problems always return back to the paperwork issues. Keeping books. Paying sales tax on things we sell as opposed to hand out. Making sure that no orders get lost. Making sure that credit cards get charged, but only when we actually fill the order, rather than when we get the order. A lot of the problem comes down to my own personal foibles and limitations. If I had a little better self-discipline, things would be a lot better. If I could keep my interest level up working on such things rather than writing dictionaries and translating the Arabian Nights into Lojban, they probably would get done. As it is, I have lots of situational handicaps interfering with getting stuff done, compounded with an anxiety streak whenever I face up to the magnitude of undone paperwork. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org