From sabren@manifestation.com Mon Jul 23 21:21:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sabren@manifestation.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 24 Jul 2001 04:21:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20047 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 04:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2001 04:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.sabren.com) (209.61.186.253) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 04:21:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (sabren@localhost) by mercury.sabren.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28188; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:30:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:30:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: sabren@mercury.sabren.com To: Nick NICHOLAS Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Mini-lesson: help solicited (again) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michal Wallace On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Nick NICHOLAS wrote: > It is now increasingly clear that the lessons will not form part of any > introductory package. The issue then becomes, whether any lessons *do* > form part of the introductory package. Hey Nick, First of all, thanks for all your hard work with this! As a newbie, I really appreciate it. Also as a newbie, here's what I'd REALLY love an introduction to let me say: ----- hello! my name is michal! I am 25 years old. I am 6'4" tall. I live in america and I speak english. Someday, I would like to visit europe. I work as a computer programmer. I have a dog named midget and a cat named indy. My mother's name is cathy. My dad's name is bob. My brother's name is steven. My favorite color is blue. what's your name? how old are you? where do you live? do you speak english/lojban? what languages do you speak? what is your favorite color? do you have any pets? where is the bathroom? [always important! :)] goodbye. ------ This really doesn't have to explain the grammar in any detail. It could just cover: basic pronunciation coi/co'o cmene ko/me numbers colors countries and languages occupations common pets using xu and ma to make questions The actual sentences could just be fill in the blank kind of things. "I am __ years old" or memorized phrases. I still remember "Comment vous appellez-vous?".. even though I don't really remember what "comment" or "appellez" mean exactly, or even if I'm breaking the words down right... It doesn't really matter. I know I can say that to a french person, and they will tell me their name. Likewise, a small group of students could easily have a real (if short) conversation - at least go around the room and introduce themselves - after just this much lojban. Later on, when they're looking at the grammar, they get hit with "oh, so that's what it means!" I would not even MENTION words like "gismu", "selbri", or "sumti" until the student has had a little success with the language. ------------- By the way, I'm MORE than happy to write this. I have the interest and the time over the next week... But not the know-how. If anyone thinks this would be worth having, I can write it over the next couple days, but I'll definitely need an editor. Cheers, - Michal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- let me host you! http://www.sabren.com me: http://www.sabren.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------