From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Jul 26 16:33:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 26 Jul 2001 23:33:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 64737 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 23:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2001 23:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.122) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 23:33:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:33:15 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.32 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:33:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.32] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: rupnu Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:33:15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 23:33:15.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[57CB2360:01C1162B] From: "Jorge Llambias" la adam cusku di'e >I think that there's a difference between "rupnu" and things like >"mitre", in addition to the value/price ambiguity. The value/price ambiguity is like the width/height ambiguity or the age/years-of-marriage ambiguity. They are different quantities of the same object that happen to be measured in the same units. When context requires it, it can be added as a seci'u place. The important point is that Lojban normally puts the object, not the name of the quantity, in the x1 place of the measure words. >With a meter, >there's no absolute meter, and anything which is a meter long can be >called a meter, whereas with rupnu, there's an objective thing which >is a rupnu, a bill or a coin, Most money transactions do not involve cash. A bill or coin is {sicni} in Lojban. >and if I have, say, a book which costs >20 rupnu, I don't think I would say that the book is 20 rupnu. I mean, >they probably won't take it to pay for my lunch. They probably won't. The seller probably takes only some forms of payment and not others, but that's beside the point. Prices are very artificial measures, but they are still measures. >(Otherwise, how would >I distinguish rupnu from things whose value/price is in rupnu?) I think you're talking of {sicni} here, not {rupnu}. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp