From pycyn@aol.com Fri Jul 27 07:08:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 27 Jul 2001 14:08:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 25772 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2001 14:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2001 14:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Jul 2001 14:07:41 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.e3.181fa5f4 (3854) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:07:38 EDT Subject: RE:{goi} addendum To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e3.181fa5f4.2892cfaa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_e3.181fa5f4.2892cfaa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason for the rule on double quantifiers that Lojban uses is almost certainly the enormous difficulty within logic otherwise of saying something like "Three men came into the saloon. Two of them well to the bar. One of these ordered a lime rickey." The straightforward logical form of this takes up a half-a-dozen lines at least and even the shortened forms designed to help logic over some of its problems with plurals (which Lojban shares to some extent) and subsets is three or four times as long as the English. The Lojban is at least comparable to the English -- with the rule as given in the book (which does require some binding adjustments even here), roughly ci da poi nanmu cu nerkal le barja .i re da zo'u ge da klama le barjyjbu gi pa da minde tu'a zoi gy lime rickey gy. (The last structure is required because the shifted quantifier is officially local, shifting to the subjset only for that one occurrence.) --part1_e3.181fa5f4.2892cfaa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason for the rule on double quantifiers that Lojban uses is almost
certainly the enormous difficulty within logic otherwise of saying something
like "Three men came into the saloon.  Two of them well to the bar.  One of
these ordered a lime rickey."  The straightforward logical form of this takes
up a half-a-dozen lines at least and even the shortened forms designed to
help logic over some of its problems with plurals (which Lojban shares to
some extent) and subsets is three or four times as long as the English.  The
Lojban is at least comparable to the English -- with the rule as given in the
book (which does require some binding adjustments even here), roughly  
ci da poi nanmu cu nerkal le barja .i re da zo'u ge da klama le barjyjbu gi
pa da minde tu'a zoi gy lime rickey gy.  (The last structure is required
because the shifted quantifier is officially local, shifting to the subjset
only for that one occurrence.)
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