From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Jul 27 19:15:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 28 Jul 2001 02:15:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27602 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2001 02:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Jul 2001 02:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Jul 2001 02:15:52 -0000 Received: from m54-mp1-cvx1b.bir.ntl.com ([62.255.40.54] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15QJOi-0002mY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:00:09 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: Editorial comment Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:14:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9jdbmf+ospo@eGroups.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Adam Raizen: > la and cusku di'e > > > For example, to take an example raised by Jorge long ago, > > does {le (ci) prenu viska vo'a}, does this mean that each person > sees each > > person (A sees A, B, C, B sees A, B, C, etc.) or does it mean that > each > > person sees themself? > > I think it means that each person sees themself. "ci da poi prenu cu > viska vo'a" would be the same as "ci da poi prenu cu viska da", since > I have no idea what else vo'a might refer to, > and so likewise with the > "le" form. I agree with you. There is no official answer, though. Which means there is no answer until Usage has Decided. > Each person seeing each person could be expressed as "le'i > ci prenu cu visysi'u", perhaps. This is not satisfactory. We want a generalizable method, not one that relies on changing the selbri. Something like: le ci prenu ku goi ko'a viska ro ko'a while "ci da poi prenu cu viska vo'a" would be equivalent to le ci prenu goi ko'a viska (ro) ko'a --And. [OFFTOPIC: p.s. Adam: do you POP your newmail.net account, or read it on the web? I used to have one & found it popped intolerably slowly, so stopped using it. Bitter experience has led me to believe that there is no such thing as web-based mail that has sufficiently fast poppability and sufficiently large storage quota for it to be used as a primary mail account. If things have improved in the last year or so, I'd like know.]