From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Jul 31 15:28:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 31 Jul 2001 22:28:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 62704 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 22:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2001 22:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.38) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 22:28:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:28:21 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.43 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:28:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.43] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] Tidying notes on {goi} Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:28:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2001 22:28:21.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AF9C520:01C11A10] From: "Jorge Llambias" la and cusku di'e >Here you hit on one of my logical peeves with Lojban. In my own loglan, >you have to say not "ci da poi prenu cu klama" but (the equivalent of) > > da poi ke'a ci mei ku'o ro de poi ke'a me lu'a da zo'u > de ge prenu gi klama But those two are not equivalent. Your version does not preclude there being a fourth person that goes. >And this then makes "ci da poi prenu cu prami re lu'a le cimei" >come out with greater clarity as: > > da poi ke'a ci mei ku'o > ro de poi ke'a me lu'a da ku'o > da xi re poi ke'a re mei ku'o > ro de xi re poi ke'a me lu'a da xi re zo'u > de xi re ge me lu'a da gi se prami de Again, I think that means {su'ocida poi prenu cu prami su'ore lu'a le su'ocimei}. >Of course, Lojban makes this impossibly verbose (tho in my loglan it takes >only 10-12 short words). When do we get a peek at your loglan? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp