From ragnarok@pobox.com Tue Jul 31 18:13:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 1 Aug 2001 01:13:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 51212 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 01:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2001 01:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2001 01:12:53 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.34] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7A6EE830136; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:13:10 -0400 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] vliju'a Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <90.17f96f00.2898adfd@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Also, we must remember that knowledge is not powerful, it is power. If I know things, this fact is not powerful, I am. My knowledge is power, but it does not HAVE power. how's {leka djuno cu mintu leka vlipa} instead? I don't fully understand ka, so I am not sure if this works. -----Original Message----- From: pycyn@aol.com [mailto:pycyn@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:58 PM To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] vliju'a In a message dated 7/31/2001 11:38:29 AM Central Daylight Time, thedward@barsoom.net writes: >Why wouldn't "knowledge" be translated as {le se djuno}? I think of >"knowledge" >as "that which is known". I would translate {leka djuno cu vlipa} into >English >as "knowing is powerful", which is very close to saying the same thing, but >not >quite. But it is not the things known that are powerful -- they could exist unknown and have no effect at all; it is that they are known that is powerful, I think. Whether that is a property or an event is not clear, but it seems to be one or the other.