From cowan@ccil.org Tue Jul 31 19:08:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 1 Aug 2001 02:08:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 35446 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 02:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2001 02:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2001 02:05:55 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15RlOe-0004L0-00; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:06:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] revised experimental cmavo proposals In-Reply-To: from And Rosta at "Aug 1, 2001 01:46:36 am" To: And Rosta Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan And Rosta scripsit: > I'm not sure whether having these in LA entails that /da'ai/ and > /ko'ai/ can't occur within cmevla (which is not a particularly > desirable consequence), It does not. It does entail that they must be separated from the cmevla by a pause. > {zi'oi} SE: indicates that one or more argument places are annulled. IIRC we actually considered this solution, but abandoned it in favor of the sumti-based zi'o. > Although zi'oi doesn't specify which argument places are annulled, this > can easily be guessed at by interlocutors. > > The rationale for this is that it should be easier to annull excess > argument places without calling attention to them by filling them > with zi'o. One approach would be to have a conventional indicator that means "Any unfilled places are zi'o"; contextual places would then require explicit zo'e. > 9. sa'ei [cp sance] COI expressive/ideophone ("kapow! kerrang!") > > > 10. ki'ai [cp krixa, ki'a-] COI ejaculative ("damn! shit! bah! yowie!") It was pointed out at Logfest that bare cmene are legal at the beginning of a text, and may be interpreted as abstract invocations. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter