From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Jul 31 23:16:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 1 Aug 2001 06:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 61041 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 06:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2001 06:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2001 06:16:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f716GhM02422 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:16:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] vliju'a In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Cyril Slobin wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > > Is {lo nu djuno cu nu vlipa} a good translation for "knowledge is power"? > > > la'e di'u banzu .i se'i mi zmanei lu le kamdjuno du le kamvlipa li'u > > ko fraxu mi lenu spuda bau le na'e lojbo, I'm not fluent enough yet. Let > me try to defend my version: > > 1) gardi should be {lo}, not {le}. I do not speak about some cetrain bit > of knowledge, but about knowledge in general. The same for power-ness. > > 2) {du} is irrelevant: knowledge is power, but power is not always > knowledge. Maybe {me}? But idea of using some cmavo for "is" to keep > sentence symmery looks fine for me, thank you. Agreed. > 3) {nu} vs {ka}. It's hard to express formally, but I feel this is about > events, not about properties. When I know something, I can something. > But I am rather week at this point. I consider "knowledge" to be "the quality of possessing knowledge", more than "the event of having knowledge". This is only a stylistic point. > 4) lujvo vs. analytic - matter of taste. I tend not to introduce lujvo > praeter necessitiam. I tend to prefer "kambroda" to "ka broda" because then I never have to close off the "ka" with a "kei". It's more tidy that way. ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!