From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Thu Aug 02 04:46:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 2 Aug 2001 11:46:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 57037 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2001 11:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2001 11:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Aug 2001 11:46:29 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.40.153]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010802114627.DLUF23687.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:46:27 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] vliju'a Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:45:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Xod: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > > tu'o ka ce'u djuno ku ka ce'u vlipa > > .oi ki'u ma cusku zo tu'o .i na mapti It was a recent excellent suggestion of Jorge's in response to my complaint about having to use a quantifier even to quantify over noncontingently singleton categories (i.e. categories that are singletons in all worlds). Jorge suggested using {tu'o} as a vacuous quantifier. This had been bugging me for years, so I seized on Jorge's suggestion avidly. Anyway, you could happily rephrase my version as {ro ka ce'u djuno ku ka ce'u vlipa}, or {lo'e ka ce'u djuno ku ka ce'u vlipa} [that is not a llambian lo'e]. > .i ji'a ka'u zo ce'u na sarcu fi le > du'u le 1mei tergismu cu stuzi zo ce'u Probably, but neither djuno nor vlipa is monadic (1mei tergismu). Or do I misunderstand your point? --And.