From nicholas@uci.edu Sat Aug 04 06:13:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 4 Aug 2001 13:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 55797 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 13:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2001 13:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 13:13:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09026; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: soi vo'a and embedded bridi Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS Asks Pierre: > 1. What does this mean?: > la suzyn djuno le du'u la jan cinynei la djiotis soi vo'a One has to be absolute about this new found rule. Therefore, Susan knows that Zhang fancies Jyoti, and Jyoti knows that Zhang fancies Susan. > 2. Can one say "I saw Bob hit Dave and vice versa" with "soi"? Yes, but no longer with vo'a: mi viska lenu la bob. darxi la deiv. soi la bob. (or: soi le nei, or: soi ra [and pray], or: soi ri xi re) If {vo'a} is to be a long-distance reflexive only, it has to be long-distance all the way. Whether or not Lojban Central thought through all the consequences in 1991, we have to be adamant about this, or else {vo'a} becomes as vague as {ra}. -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias