From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Aug 04 16:16:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 4 Aug 2001 23:16:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 15737 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2001 23:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Aug 2001 23:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.104) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 23:16:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:16:30 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.234 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:16:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.234] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:16:30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2001 23:16:30.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E6F8BC0:01C11D3B] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e >Why does makau have any meaning away from du'u? > >du'u do prami makau >The identity of the thing you love No, a du'u is not an identity! A du'u is a proposition. Think of a du'u with a makau as a proposition in which one of the terms is there but hidden from view. The same with ka + makau, a property in which one of the terms is there but hidden from view. >How about: >da poi slabu mi zo'u da klama le zarci Knowing (djuno) who goes to the store does not mean the same as knowing (se slabu) a person who happens to go to the store. mi djuno le du'u la djan noi mi ke'a na se slabu cu klama le zarci "I know that John, whom I don't know, goes to the store." mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp