From xod@sixgirls.org Sun Aug 05 19:58:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 6 Aug 2001 02:58:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9304 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 02:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2001 02:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 02:58:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f762wcO17293 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:58:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a In-Reply-To: <9kkua4+nqvr@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 mark@kli.org wrote: > --- In lojban@y..., Invent Yourself wrote: > > > > > I still think this lu'e use works. > > > > mi djuno lu'e le klama be le zarci > > I know who goes to the store > > > > This means that I know the symbol of the store goer, not that I know > the > > store goer. > > This is almost disturbingly non-bad (I don't know if it's actually > "good" yet). This might be a sufficient solution for all those "knowing" and "expressing" cases you mentioned, eliminating the need for most instances of kau. And I'm all for eliminating cmavo in the name of Occam's Razor. However, what about that tricky sentence ko'a ko'e frica le ka ce'u prami ma kau "X differs from Y in who they love" Let's try this: ko'a ko'e frica le ka ce'u prami ko'i ko'a ko'e frica le ka ce'u prami ko'ikau "X differs from Y in who they love" Does this imply that ko'a and ko'e love the same value for ko'i? I would never want to imply such a thing! ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!