From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Aug 06 06:33:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 6 Aug 2001 13:33:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 95796 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 13:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2001 13:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 13:33:34 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (ppp27.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.27]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f76DXXX08951 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010806002906.00cb6600@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 00:32:48 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: soi vo'a and embedded bridi In-Reply-To: <01080510544000.28640@neofelis> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010804232434.00c2a100@pop.cais.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010804232434.00c2a100@pop.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 10:53 AM 8/5/01 -0400, phma@oltronics.net wrote: >On Sat, 04 Aug 2001, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > >soi ri, I think, since soi is attached to la deiv. (I'm willing to be > >proven wrong on this if the book says otherwise, but failing that, I would > >treat free modifiers attached to a sumti as if they were a kind of relative > >clauses or phrase (and indeed they are, since the soi X could be replaced > >by a noi bridi) and use ke'a to refer to the sumti they are attached to. > >(Free mods can attach to other things of course.)) > >But wouldn't "soi ri" just exchange Dave with Dave? It is precisely because of that implication that a "ri" in the soi attached to Dave doesn't refer to Dave. "ri" skips the current sumti if it is part of a construct within that sumti. My statement is that a free modifier should be considered part of the sumti construct it is attached to and therefore ri-counting doesn't include Dave. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org