From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Mon Aug 06 15:18:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 6 Aug 2001 22:18:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 38291 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 22:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2001 22:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 22:17:31 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.41.128]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010806221729.WZGA6330.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:17:29 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: tu'o (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:16:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9kjl4g+bkb4@eGroups.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Jorge: > la lojbab cusku di'e > > > Since it is elliptical, it has unspecified value which is to be > inferred > > from context if important. > [...] > > For the same reason, we do not presume that zo'e stands for "noda". > > I think the counterpart of {zo'e} should be {no'o}, not {tu'o}. > {tu'o} is the counterpart of {zi'o}. At least that's what "used > in unary operations" suggests to me. Pierre: > {no'o} seems to correspond to {zu'i}, not {zo'e}, to me. {tu'o} > corresponds to {zo'e} when used in a sumti and to {zo'e} or {zi'o}, > depending on the operation, when used in a mex. I agree with Pierre. Since both a zi'o-counterpart and a zo'e-counterpart would make sense in mekso, there seems to be a need for a new PA to be a zo'e counterpart. It would be best to leave tu'o as a zi'o-counterpart, because that is how it is in the Refgram. (I'm assuming that the Refgram is more set in stone than the English glosses-cum-definitions of cmavo.) --And.