From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Aug 06 16:25:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 6 Aug 2001 23:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 36127 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2001 23:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Aug 2001 23:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.207) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 23:24:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:24:56 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.55 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 23:24:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.55] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 23:24:56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2001 23:24:56.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[011FCF50:01C11ECF] From: "Jorge Llambias" la and cusku di'e >Anyway, I take it that you are proposing a novel definition for {jei}, >i.e. {du'u} that contains a Q-kau, so "whether" would be {jei xu kau}. I am not proposing anything, all I'm saying is that should a cmavo different from du'u be needed for indirect questions, jei would be the best choice. I'm not at all convinced that it is needed, I have never experienced any difficulty with du'u in that regard. >I wouldn't rush into this overhastily. We've already established that >ka clauses can contain Q-kau, so the current situation is: > > ce'u Q-kau > ka yes yes > ka yes no > du'u no yes > du'u no no > >Under your proposals we'd have: > > ce'u Q-kau > ?? yes yes > ka yes no > jei no yes > du'u no no {ni} is {ka sela'u makau} so we might as well put ni there. But now we need another one for nu+kau, as in le nu xokau prenu cu zvati cu spaji mi So no, we don't need to duplicate every abstractor for indirect questions, thank you. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp