From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Mon Aug 06 17:14:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 7 Aug 2001 00:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 85562 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 00:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2001 00:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 00:14:28 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.40.33]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010807001426.MFSZ20588.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:14:26 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Transliterations survey Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:13:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Xod: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > > Nick: > > > One more thing is that canonical does tend to imply (to me) canonical > > > according to the local hegemony, rather than the local form. That means > > > minxen rather than minge, niu,orlynz. rather than nolinz., > > > > /n(i)u,o(r)LINZ/ can't be only the British pronunciation, since > > > > My daddy was a gambling man; > > He sold my new blue jeans. > > [Ti tum ti tum ti tum ti tum] > > Way down in New Orleans > > Where do you see a contradiction? I wear BLU,djinz. She SOLD /ma NU blu DJINZ Way DOWN /in NU orLINZ/ > > > and (much more > > > contentiously) timicuara (Rumanian) rather than temecvar (Hungarian). I > > > know full well this is not going to be looked on favourably. > > Do the residents themselves have a preference? This was Nick's point. The residents say temecvar and the local hegemony, which the residents resent, says timicuara. As with kwyBEK/keBEK, kataLONia/kataLUNia, LUNdynderi/DEri, either choice implies a certain ideology. > Canonical means canonical to the residents; nolinz it should be, > regardless of what a damyankee thinks. Nick thinks differently. I think Nick should use the names he thinks best and you should use the names that you think best, and that this is an issue that we should consciously not be normative about. --And.