From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Aug 06 22:31:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 7 Aug 2001 05:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 78057 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2001 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-5.cais.net) (205.252.14.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (dynamic113.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.113]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f775V5a69811 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010807012546.00cba430@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:29:03 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Transliterations survey In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 01:13 AM 8/7/01 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > > > and (much more > > > > contentiously) timicuara (Rumanian) rather than temecvar (Hungarian). I > > > > know full well this is not going to be looked on favourably. > > > > Do the residents themselves have a preference? > >This was Nick's point. The residents say temecvar and the local hegemony, >which the residents resent, says timicuara. As with kwyBEK/keBEK, >kataLONia/kataLUNia, LUNdynderi/DEri, either choice implies a certain >ideology. What happens when there are multiple ideologies amongst the local residents? Specifically, what happens when the educated local dialect differs from the colloquial local dialect. > > Canonical means canonical to the residents; nolinz it should be, > > regardless of what a damyankee thinks. > >Nick thinks differently. I think Nick should use the names he thinks >best and you should use the names that you think best, and that this >is an issue that we should consciously not be normative about. We still will have to decide what to put into the dictionary as examples. One answer is to provide multiple answers based on the various ideologies without making a choice (and of course "letting usage decide"). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org