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Subject: {kai'i}
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:45:54 +0100
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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@ntlworld.com>

Recent distinct threads have established 

(a) that {ka} is redundant, since {du'u} can serve all the
functions of current {ka}

(b) that there is a need to be able to define reflexive
selbri that can function as sumti tails, analgously to
{da noi ke'a ke'a lumci} = "something that *self-washes*".

I first propose a NU, {kai'i}, meaning "ckaji (be le ka)".

Then 

da noi ke'a ke'a lumci

= lo kai'i ce'u ce'u lumci

= lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u ce'u lumci

And more generally:

lo broda
= da noi ke'a broda
= lo kai'i ce'u broda
= lo ckaji be tu'o du'u ce'u broda

da noi mi djuno tu'o du'u ke'a broda
= lo kai'i mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda
= lo ckaji be tu'o du'u mi djuno tu'o du'u ce'u broda

I secondly propose that {ka} could be redefined as equivalent to
{kai'i}.

--And.