From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Wed Aug 08 13:14:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 8 Aug 2001 20:14:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 83073 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2001 20:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Aug 2001 20:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2001 20:12:53 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.41.15]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010808201251.EEOW23687.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:12:51 +0100 To: Subject: states and activities (was: RE: [lojban] Re: ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:11:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Xorxe: > la and cusku di'e > > >I forget which specialist nu's you have it in for, but note > >at least that: > > > >{da za'i mi jmive} = "I am alive" > >{da zu'o mi jmive} = "I stay alive" > > I don't get "stay" from {zu'o}. Maybe {mi za'o jmive}. > > {mi ca'o jmive} works to give the sense of activity. The difference between states and events is that the inertial tendency of states is to continue, while the inertial tendency of events is to cease. "I am alive" is a state. "I stay alive" is an event; it means that there is some successfully resisted ongoing pressure acting so as to end my being alive. --And.