From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Aug 08 16:08:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 8 Aug 2001 23:08:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 74892 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2001 23:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2001 23:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2001 23:08:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:08:23 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.46 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:08:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.46] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] {kai'i} Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:08:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2001 23:08:23.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[05FAA9A0:01C1205F] From: "Jorge Llambias" la and cusku di'e > > >I first propose a NU, {kai'i}, meaning "ckaji (be le ka)". > > > > Isn't that {seka}? > >{ka} doesn't have an x2. You're right! >I once swore blind that I had a ma'oste >showing that it did, much to Lojbab's consternation, first, >and to my embarrassment, later, when I checked and found I had >misremembered. I was convinced that it had one too. In any case, {seka} will parse, and it has an obvious meaning, considering ka-ckaji. >Before proposing {kai'i} I had thought of proposing that {ka} >be given an x2, but I see no reason for the x1, since the x1 >is the same as what's contained in the ka bridi. Much like du'u. Syntactically they're not quite the same though, one is a sumti and the other a bridi. >Proposing >{kai'i} seems more consistent with the baseline and with >desirable place structures. Much less likely to be used, though. I like the possibility of things like {le seka mi djuno le du'u ce'u klama} instead of {ko'a voi mi djuno le du'u ke'a klama}. Very nice! mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp