From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Thu Aug 09 18:13:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 10 Aug 2001 01:13:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 25438 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2001 01:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2001 01:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Aug 2001 01:13:13 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.88.74]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010810011311.QVZP710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:13:11 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:12:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Xod: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: [...] > It appears to me our ideas of kau are converging. > > kau turns a question word into a variable of that type. makau is a sumti, > xokau is a number, jikau is a logical value, etc. I think this is not quite right. All Q-words, not just Q-kau, express a variable bound by a certain quantifier with a certain scope. The hard bit is discovering which quantifier and which scope. What exactly {kau} does is unclear. With non-Q + kau, kau is a focus marker. I don't yet understand whether with Q-kau it is only (a) a focus marker, only (b) an indicator of an indirect question, with no logical properties of its own, or (c) both (a-b). --And.