From graywyvern@hotmail.com Sat Aug 11 17:23:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 12 Aug 2001 00:23:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10784 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2001 00:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Aug 2001 00:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.105) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Aug 2001 00:23:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:23:00 -0700 Received: from 65.67.96.113 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:23:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.96.113] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New to lojban, any suggestions? Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:23:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2001 00:23:00.0818 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1C41B20:01C122C4] From: "michael helsem" >From: Nick NICHOLAS li'o >You sign up to the two languages for different reasons. With Klingon, it's >different again: a well-defined mythos also you get to wear a costume... li'o > > > Can anyone share there stories of learning Lojban, how far they are > > > at, and how they enjoy it? > >I'm surprised more people haven't jumped on this one. Lojban is immensely >rewarding, and also immensely frustrating. it's only frustrating if you want to be able to say everything you can say in your native language, right away. that probably happens more often to Lojbanists than the learners of any other language... i recommend breaking up your utterances into brief combinations of 2 to 6 words, & use anaphora, rather than attempt the complexly nested Proustian monstrosities that some of us are very adept at. no one is ever going to talk that way, except for speeches by the Ambassador of Lojbanistan at the United Nations (& the tranaslators will unplug their earphones, i assure you). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp